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Internet for all

http://news.yahoo.com/google-begins-launching-internet-beaming-balloons-031644286.html

 

Google starting its own WISP

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Re: Internet for all

The irony of this is I was talking to people about how to get internet access to people in remote regions for minimal cost.

My idea? Balloons like the US military used when I was in Iraq. Their ISR stationary platforms.

I said this at WISPAmerica.
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Re: Internet for all

curious to know what kind of wireless equipment they are using, also there appears to be no form of control, they seem to just float, what happens when 10,000 of them get in the same currents and are all within 10 feet of each other?
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Re: Internet for all

Years ago on DSLR we had a long discussion on using tethered balloons as passive reflectors.  That, of course is not what Google is doing.

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Re: Internet for all

ars, has a an article as well, appears they are controlled
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Re: Internet for all

They are controlled, have solar cells, gps tracking, and parachutes for controlled descent

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Re: Internet for all

I always joke about this when we are looking on how to get someone internet... just hop it off a balloon with back to back rockets lol

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Re: Internet for all

The idea isn't as far fetched as it may sound to some.
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Re: Internet for all

[ Edited ]

Looks like Google engineers like the good wireless equipment from UBNT :icon_smile:

 

For me the red Loon Antenna looks like a Rocket M5... 

 

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Not the first time, in the Glass video it seems they used Rocket Dishes.

 

So UBNT Staff, what Equipment do they use on their balloons? 

 

Greetings

 

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Re: Internet for all

Oh I have seen a fuctional replay station used for a little over 16 months. It was used to repay VoIP and data from 1 area to another about 38 miles from the stations just over 60 miles from one another... it worked just fine. 

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Re: Internet for all

A company in Chandler, Az. (Phoenix) called Space Data has been doing this for years with 900 mhz channels from Eastern Arizona to Eastern Texas to get communications to wide areas for oil and other industries.  They run about 2-3 balloons at a time to cover the region.

This is probably the same company, doing stuff for Google !!

 

Might be some of the intermittent interference you guys in Texas are having !!! I am sure Space Data tested it on their balloons there before doing it for Google !

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Re: Internet for all

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I've just been down to talk to the folks from Google, who are here in Christchurch, New Zealand, launching their pilot for Loon. One engineer told me "we use the Ubiquiti Rocket M2 for transceiving, and the M5 for groundstation uplink". He described the downwards-pointing antenna on the ballon, which sounded to me like a UniFi polar map, but on a bigger scale. They have modified the firmware to only work with other modified firmware Rockets.

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Re: Internet for all

Darn that custom FW, I was gonna use one of my rockets to beam myself up.....bastards
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Re: Internet for all

Do I here an Echo?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Echo

 

You could see it in the night sky reflecting sunlight from over the horizon.

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Re: Internet for all


Josh_Performant wrote:

They are controlled, have solar cells, gps tracking, and parachutes for controlled descent


Their envelope is part-filled with helium (fixed boyancy), and part-filled with atmosphere (ballust). The ballust can be injected/expelled on-demand to control altitude. Depending on the altitude, the balloon can be repositioned  using different layers of air currents (just like a conventional hot-air balloon at lower altitudes). However, they still tend to drift out of their trajectory eventually, one Google engineer said.

 

Hanging below is an aircraft transponder, presumably broadcasting position and altitude.

 

The engineer reported 'there isn't enough reflective surfaces to make them detectable by aircraft radar'.

 

 

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jcnissen wrote:

 

For me the red Loon Antenna looks like a Rocket M5... 

 

 

I drove past one on a house yesterday; I thought it looked like a boxing glove on a stick (from a distance). 

 

But I think the radome is supposed to make the antenna + Rocket look like a Google Maps location pin.

 

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Re: Internet for all

Here's a picture I snapped earlier today. It shows the (almost) fully-enflated envelope (for demonstration purposes) as it looks when it reaches the stratosphere (60,000 feet). 

 

The envelope's payload quota is an 'exact science', with every device, bolt and even jumper wire precisely weighed, said the Google engineer.

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Re: Internet for all

The sm's antenna doesnt look big enough to send/recieve data at 11 mile ranges(stratosphere), the equipment on the balloons must be amped up. I wonder how this will affect the wireless access points, and routers, it passes over? 

Pretty fly for a Wi/Fi
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Re: Internet for all

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Ok so check my math here ...

The earth is 179 million square miles

Each balloon covers 780 square miles

You need 178205 balloons for full coverage

 

Is this a late blooming April Fools joke like the sewer based fiber ?

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Re: Internet for all

No it's real. Remember this is being done by google they have vast knowledge of just how big the earth is.
Pretty fly for a Wi/Fi
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