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What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

What is the main function of ap-repeater mode in rocket m2. Please elaborate or describe the main features
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

WDS store-and-forward repeating. Unless if you really really know what you'er doing, don't use it.
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

WDS store-and-forward repeating. Unless if you really really know what you'er doing, don't use it.


Wich Scenario is Faster AP-WDS to AP-WDS , or VAP sta-wds to AP-Transparent Bridge ?
lets describe my setup

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setup A

.............................wificlient3---AP-WDS
..........................................................|
wificlient1---AP-WDS--------AP-WDS---Wired-Server
............................|.............................|
.....................wiredClient1............wificlient2

setup B
................................wifiClient3---AP-WDS
...................................................................|
wifiClient1--AP(VAP)-Sta-WDS------AP-WDS---Wired-Server
................................|..................................|
....................... wiredClient1...................wifiClient2

all the APs are ubiquiti Bullet with AirOS execpt the One with VAP is running OpenWRT-Backfire

the reason for that kind of setups is a free wlan without adsl or any other form of internet conectivity used primarly for LAN GAMES and some FTP use, without line of sight on some points, the entirely net shares the same broadast domain 192.168.100.x/24

since the primary use is for games we need to max out the troughtput, money is low, so we can not put 2 ap to make a backhaul via LAN on the same roof

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WDS store-and-forward repeating will half your throughput for each hop.

Spend money on 5.8 backhaul and get good speed, or save money and live with slow speed...Pick one.
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

i know i have to live with slow speed, but that dot not answer my question, wich is what of the 2 scenarios is faster

i hope am not beeing rude, i just need to squeeze the hard i have

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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

I'm not sure how much analysis of
your gaming system you expect the
professional installers here to provide
as unpaid volunteers.

WHT has already said that WDS repeating
has an inherent delay; avoid it if you want
best speeds. And you now add an element
to WDS repeating that doesn't some 3rd-
party firmware--not Ubiquiti.

That firmware isn't supported here. Dave
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

I'm not sure how much analysis of
your gaming system you expect the
professional installers here to provide
as unpaid volunteers.

If you don't know, or don't care to answer a question, there is no harm in leaving your
keyboard un-touched on the desk in front of you.

Piping up just to let everybody know you haven't got any help for them is bad enough, but a condescending attitude on top of not being helpful is totally not called for, and just blathers up the forum for everybody. Please remember that ! :icon_confused:
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

Perhaps instead of admonishing me,
you will care to help this gamer dude.
If not, you've left him where he is.

If you care to help him, perhaps you
will translate the good advice he was
given into something he can understand.

Three of us tried already; you may have
better luck--go for it! Dave
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

... without line of sight on some points...

It would be easier to help you if everything was line-of-sight. Is there any way for you to get true LoS? So...
Two factors come to mind. (1) we do not know how long the paths are and (2) once you lose line of site, it is difficult to estimate the performance of a wireless network.
If you would like more accurate assistance, please plot the path from AP1 to AP2 and ALSO the path from AP2 to AP3 using this tool: www.ubnt.com/airlink/ When asked, select the NanoStation M2 (simply to allow the tool to plot, this is NOT necessarily my recommendation for a radio).
Post the plots here.
ALSO, tell us the height of any obstacles on the path line.
Cheers,
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EDIT ADDED: I have re-drawn your "A" option below. Relative to the SERVER, and under PERFECT conditions, AP-WDS repeating will deliver full speed (54 Mbps) to all WiFi users. The throughput between Wired #1 and Server will be a full 100 Mbps. Note: you do NOT have perfect conditions, as noted above.
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

How sure of this are you, Gene:

'under perfect conditions, WDS repeating
will deliver full speed to all wireless users'

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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

How sure of this are you, Gene:

'under perfect conditions, WDS repeating
will deliver full speed to all wireless users'

Dave

I'm sure that I said, "Relative to the SERVER, and under PERFECT conditions, AP-WDS repeating will deliver full speed (54 Mbps) to all WiFi users."
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

Would you be willing to explain the
limitation of 'relative to the server'?
I don't understand the distinction.

I think I know what 'perfect' means; I'm
not trying to nit-pick over the last 5%. Dave
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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

The server transfers IP traffic to AP#2 at 100 Mbps.
AP#2 transfers IP traffic to AP#1 at 100 Mbps.
AP#2 "relays" IP traffic to WiFi#1 at 50 Mbps (essentially, "full speed" to a WiFi client)
Did I miscalculate or misunderstand something?
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If you don't know, or don't care to answer a question, there is no harm in leaving your
keyboard un-touched on the desk in front of you.

Piping up just to let everybody know you haven't got any help for them is bad enough, but a condescending attitude on top of not being helpful is totally not called for, and just blathers up the forum for everybody. Please remember that ! :icon_confused:

Thanks dude

It would be easier to help you if everything was line-of-sight. Is there any way for you to get true LoS? So...

Two factors come to mind. (1) we do not know how long the paths are and (2) once you lose line of site, it is difficult to estimate the performance of a wireless network.

If you would like more accurate assistance, please plot the path from AP1 to AP2 and ALSO the path from AP2 to AP3 using this tool: www.ubnt.com/airlink/ When asked, select the NanoStation M2 (simply to allow the tool to plot, this is NOT necessarily my recommendation for a radio).

Post the plots here.

ALSO, tell us the height of any obstacles on the path line.

Cheers,
Gene

EDIT ADDED: I have re-drawn your "A" option below. Relative to the SERVER, and under PERFECT conditions, AP-WDS repeating will deliver full speed (54 Mbps) to all WiFi users. The throughput between Wired #1 and Server will be a full 100 Mbps. Note: you do NOT have perfect conditions, as noted above.


I was not able to use the airlink tool as i'm using linux and it seems is not supported yet, so i make this diagram of our wireless net, i hope it helps.

i only include the distance from the wds links because i think they are the only ones who matters from a back-bone point of view, if all are needed i will update the graph, also the line of sight issue are represented by the topology itself, anyone who is not connected directly to the Main AP, does not have a True LOS to it, hence the need for de WDS.

PD: thanks for helping me, we all think ubiquiti is best hardware out there, and that is why we buy ubnt hardware over other cheapers AP

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Re: What is the function of AP-Repeater mode in Rocket M2

by the way, i forget to mention that this scenario A, from this post
Scenario B, would be the same, except from replacing AP#3 with OpenWRT firmware thus connectin to AP#1 in station-wds mode, and creating a Virtual AP interface for receiving clients
wich is "as mentioned above" the answer from Professional installers i would also like to know, the fastest scenario?
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nwt_lazaro..
Your drawing is a very poor wireless network design using AP-WDS > AP-WDS > Clients.
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The Ubiquiti plotting software runs in a web browser. Try using a different web browser, maybe?

I am sorry, but I can not help without the information that I asked for. There may be people who are more skillful than me, though.

Best wishes,
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the web browser uses a plugin that is not avaliable to linux, there is a request for google to add linux support to it, anyway a i will install windows to plot the wireless links here

nwt_lazaro..

Your drawing is a very poor wireless network design using AP-WDS > AP-WDS > Clients.


are u trying to say to me that using AP-WDS > (STA-WDS | AP) < Clients ... would be faster ? wich in this case is scenario B

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Yes, twice as fast.
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Your drawing is a very poor wireless network design using AP-WDS > AP-WDS > Clients.

Why?

EDIT ADDED: Never mind. Now that I see the goal posts moved since I diagrammed up the original e-mail (rather than feeding WiFi clients directly, CPE's are involved.
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Why?
.......


Why? Because you didn't look at his last drawing.
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