07/26/2018
Mixing EdgeMax and UniFi
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Location
Morrison, CO, USA
Description

This is a detailed look at the EdgeMax portions of the large venue system we just put in  ( https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Stories/Very-large-outdoor-UniFi-installation-with-all-the-bells-and/cns-p/2430593 ) at Bandimere Speedway in Morrison, CO.   Along with the very large UniFi system, we used a large number of EdgeMax devices (more than 20) to do specific tasks throughout the venue.   RackClose.jpg

 

Devices used include 

ER6P

EP S16

EdgePower

ES10X/P

ER12

FiberPoE

ER-X SFP

 

The biggest difference between the Edge units and UniFi is of course the UniFi controller for the UniFi devices, vs. the Edge unit's individual UI screens.   UNMS (yet to be fully implemented here) will handle a lot of that in future, but for now we needed to keep the management of the two groups of equipment separate.   We did this by using a completely separate IP network for the Edge units on an RFC1918 10.21.x.0/24 network, different from the 192.168.0.0/18 network used fot the UniFi devices.   Operating over the same physical network, we used VLANs and static addressing of the Edge devices to keep them separate from the UniFi portion of the network.

 

This is a very large complex network, covering an area 1 mile by 1/4 mile.BandimereTowerAreaCloseupSm.png

 

 This is just the area around the starting area of the track - there are PtP, PtMP, UniFi, and fiber links, Switches, F-PoEs and other devices scattered over almost 20 different locations throughout.   We used EdgeRouter6 and 12 in the core to handle our own ISP's feed and VPN tasks, and EdgePoint S16s and R6s plus  ER-Xs (set as switches) in several locations

 

NorthEquip.JPG

 

By using separate networks for management of the devices we can keep the WiFi payload traffic separate from the  management traffic, making hacking into that part of the system more difficult.   Using static addresses for all the UBNT devices insures that no one will get on the management network via an easy method (like DHCP) and keeps unsophisticated eyes off the management network.   Use of good passwords to secure devices further is also standard practice, of course.  Use of separate VLANs for management adds another layer of protection.

 

 

TECbox.jpg

In many cases EdgeMax units were chosen because there was no analog in the UniFi line, as with the ER6P and ER-12.   In other cases  there was a need to power devices (like the large number of UAP-Mesh radios) which did not directly use 802.3af from UniFi PoE devices.FuelDepot.JPG

 There are cases where a combination of outdoor devices which require larger PoE than the UniFi switches can provide were all co-located, requiring the use of EP-S16s to adequately power them all, including the mixture of bt level 802.3 power, passive 24V and regular 802.3af/at.EP-S16.JPG

 Having EdgePower power supplies increased reliability (with their dual hot swap power modules) and allows remote monitoring of power draw, aiding in troubleshooting of such a large system.   Direct battery backup in these cases is planned for the near future as well.

EP-S16-401.jpg

Fiber backhauls were used extensively, including both 1Gb and 10Gb links.   The SFP+ capability of the EP-S16s was used for this, along with the core US-16-XG which allows for future expansion of the system throughout as needs change.

 

TowerRadios.JPG

The combination of UniFi and EdgeMax devices in this system allowed the best use of each in a large complex network designed to handle tens of thousands of users throught a very large area.   Doing this with any other system would have been more difficult and much more costly.

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

Mixing EdgeMax and UniFi

by ‎07-26-2018 08:04 AM - edited ‎07-26-2018 08:05 AM

This is a detailed look at the EdgeMax portions of the large venue system we just put in  ( https://community.ubnt.com/t5/UniFi-Stories/Very-large-outdoor-UniFi-installation-with-all-the-bells... ) at Bandimere Speedway in Morrison, CO.   Along with the very large UniFi system, we used a large number of EdgeMax devices (more than 20) to do specific tasks throughout the venue.   RackClose.jpg

 

Devices used include 

ER6P

EP S16

EdgePower

ES10X/P

ER12

FiberPoE

ER-X SFP

 

The biggest difference between the Edge units and UniFi is of course the UniFi controller for the UniFi devices, vs. the Edge unit's individual UI screens.   UNMS (yet to be fully implemented here) will handle a lot of that in future, but for now we needed to keep the management of the two groups of equipment separate.   We did this by using a completely separate IP network for the Edge units on an RFC1918 10.21.x.0/24 network, different from the 192.168.0.0/18 network used fot the UniFi devices.   Operating over the same physical network, we used VLANs and static addressing of the Edge devices to keep them separate from the UniFi portion of the network.

 

This is a very large complex network, covering an area 1 mile by 1/4 mile.BandimereTowerAreaCloseupSm.png

 

 This is just the area around the starting area of the track - there are PtP, PtMP, UniFi, and fiber links, Switches, F-PoEs and other devices scattered over almost 20 different locations throughout.   We used EdgeRouter6 and 12 in the core to handle our own ISP's feed and VPN tasks, and EdgePoint S16s and R6s plus  ER-Xs (set as switches) in several locations

 

NorthEquip.JPG

 

By using separate networks for management of the devices we can keep the WiFi payload traffic separate from the  management traffic, making hacking into that part of the system more difficult.   Using static addresses for all the UBNT devices insures that no one will get on the management network via an easy method (like DHCP) and keeps unsophisticated eyes off the management network.   Use of good passwords to secure devices further is also standard practice, of course.  Use of separate VLANs for management adds another layer of protection.

 

 

TECbox.jpg

In many cases EdgeMax units were chosen because there was no analog in the UniFi line, as with the ER6P and ER-12.   In other cases  there was a need to power devices (like the large number of UAP-Mesh radios) which did not directly use 802.3af from UniFi PoE devices.FuelDepot.JPG

 There are cases where a combination of outdoor devices which require larger PoE than the UniFi switches can provide were all co-located, requiring the use of EP-S16s to adequately power them all, including the mixture of bt level 802.3 power, passive 24V and regular 802.3af/at.EP-S16.JPG

 Having EdgePower power supplies increased reliability (with their dual hot swap power modules) and allows remote monitoring of power draw, aiding in troubleshooting of such a large system.   Direct battery backup in these cases is planned for the near future as well.

EP-S16-401.jpg

Fiber backhauls were used extensively, including both 1Gb and 10Gb links.   The SFP+ capability of the EP-S16s was used for this, along with the core US-16-XG which allows for future expansion of the system throughout as needs change.

 

TowerRadios.JPG

The combination of UniFi and EdgeMax devices in this system allowed the best use of each in a large complex network designed to handle tens of thousands of users throught a very large area.   Doing this with any other system would have been more difficult and much more costly.

Jim

 

 

 

 

 

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Comments
by Ubiquiti Employee
on ‎07-26-2018 09:42 AM

Awesome setup, always interesting to see combinations of UniFi and EdgeMax.

by
on ‎07-26-2018 11:04 AM

Specs on Edge Router 12 and EdgeSwitch 10x ?

by
on ‎07-26-2018 02:33 PM

Thanks for the tour!

by
on ‎07-27-2018 06:20 AM

tech53

Specs on Edge Router 12 and EdgeSwitch 10x ?

 

They are in the Early Access Store (the information - they're sold out right now...)

Jim

by
on ‎07-27-2018 08:22 PM

Thanks— interesting to understand the logic of the deployment. 

by
on ‎07-28-2018 06:48 AM

Great explanation on the mixed use case, and a beautiful project overall - including your diagrams.

 

And a little bit of Netgear?

by
on ‎07-28-2018 07:34 AM

GreggC

Great explanation on the mixed use case, and a beautiful project overall - including your diagrams.

 

And a little bit of Netgear?

 

Yah, the Netgear switch there is actually part of the old small WiFi system they had running - we just haven't replaced it yet with the new system - there are always more things to do with something this size...  ;-)

Jim

by
on ‎07-28-2018 07:35 AM

I figured!

 

by
on ‎07-29-2018 10:32 AM

Are they all doing GPS sync?

by
on ‎07-29-2018 10:46 AM

@fredsparkle


Are they all doing GPS sync?

 

Not at the moment, but that is on the agenda along with a lot of other fine tuning details in the near future.   Something this big is an ongoing task to operate...  ;-)  

Jim