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Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

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I would like to add an AP outside to service the lounge area behind the garage ~ 50ft behind the house.  I don't have service to the garage the only area I can hide an AP is under the deck.  Should I get an UAP-AC-M, UAP-AC-M-PRO or UAP-AC-PRO?  I have an In-wall and pro in the house.   If I get the AC-Pro should I mount it vertically on a support stand, or horizontally on the underside of the deck floor?  In either case it will only be about 3ft. off the ground.

 

Any advice would be appreciated.

 

 

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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

None of this will work well. It appears the deck has

a lattice-work skirt; any access point there would

have its signal blocked by solid wood.

 

Even if not, that's a very low position, and might be

blocked by articles on the lawn. Also, the lounge area

is behind another building--there's no clear path to it.

 

Your best choice among these heavy limitations might

be an AC-M-Pro mounted high on the outside house

wall. Paint it the same color as the brown wood. Mount

it as far left as possible, for the best path to the lounge.

 

An AC-M radio works best on a pole in the middle of

the area to be served.   Dave


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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

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Additional thoughts:

- place an AC-M on the corner of the garage that we see (near the lounge) if you can power it und link it wirelessly - but there's that tree... you could place it low on the tree, though, or go for the garage roof edge.

- place an AC-M from where you took the photo

 

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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

Thanks for the addvice,

I guess I could dig a shallow trench (6" deep) between the deck and the garage, and place an AP on the back of the garage.  That brings up new questions: is there a limitation to the length of cable for POE ( that distance woudl be close to 150') from my switch; can I burry standard cat 6 cable without any issue or am i looking at a more industrial grade cable requirement? 

 

 

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Nothing beats a cable, and you'll have a nice permanent solution for adding camera later on. You certainly need shielded cable (example: toughcable by UBNT), could be pulled through a PVC pipe. Given good cable quality 150' should work just fine for 24V passive PoE, with 48V standard PoE even less an issue. Does not hurt to test it before you bury it. Cat5 will also do.

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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

I ended up installing a Mesh AP under the deck behind the latice.  Using the WiFi Throughput Test I receive between 10 and 20 mbps in the lounge area (good enough for Netflix).  I noticed that the Antenna are moveable, is there a good link to explaining why and when you would adjust them and what adjusting them acctually does? 

 

Thanks

 

 

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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

Great to read that this already does the job. Put the antennas either in V or in L shape, in the L case point one antenna to the lounge. Consult the radio pattern for a better understanding.

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This is definitely not an optimum location; if you get

service that satisfies you, good enough. There's no

real way to predict what antenna 'pattern' will work

best; this is all a compromise now. I suggest you

just play with the antennas if you like.    Dave


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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

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In the pic you posted, get the antennas on the outside of the wood, the AP you can leave on the inside. Try the antennas in a V shape, might help.

 

The best option would be to put a directional patch antenna on your UAP-AC-M.

 

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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

Actually, the 'best' option is simply to mount the radio on

the outside wood wall--in the open, and higher up. You

could put the radio behind a thin plastic box [not wood]

or paint it to blend in if that's really that important.

 

But again: you decide what's good enough.   Dave


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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

Hey TAFB do you have a recomendation on a directional patch antenna that will fit on the AC-M?   Are the antenna connections universal, can any antenna work, if not what should i look for, 9dBi, 14dBi.  i see several on Amazon, will TL-ANT2409A work?  Also do I replace both or just one of the antenna?    

 

If it becomes too cost prohibative I am going to back to the trenching plan 

 

Dave, you mentioned that I could paint the AC-M-Pro.  Paint doesn't impact the signal?

 

 

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Unfortunately, no. There are very few antennas that

will work on the AC-M. It requires a dual-band MIMO

antenna--where both bands are on each antenna lead.

 

Laird makes one that provides about 12 to 14dBi gain,

and it has a rugged mount. It sells for over $100. You

need on with RP-SMA connectors.

 

I'm not sure that will get you much: the antenna stick

out from the wall 10cm or so, and there are wires too.

Why not simply mount the radio on the wall? If you

insist on mounting on the lattice-work, at least put

the radio on the outside.

 

You're making this into an incredibly complex project.

 

Yes: you can use any paint you like on the plastic body.

I use Krylon 'fusion' paint--meant for plastics.   Dave


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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

1. If your signal and speed is good enough right now: Leave it as is, maybe optimize the antennas as V or L shape.

2. If not: Have you actually tested if there is a noticable difference by putting the radio out in the open? If there is, then this should be the plan.

3. If not: Instead of spending money and effort on a questionable sector antenna I'd rather consider to add a second AC-M on the garage - power is all you need, uplink it wirelessly. This can get you "around the corner" of the garage.

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Re: Outdoor AP Advice and mounting question

Of course there's a noticeable difference; WiFi

signals do no go through a thick wood lattice

without degradation. Wet wood will make it worse.  Dave


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