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[Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

Hi,
I am new to this forum and (almost) to ubiquiti hardware...
thus I thought I shall better ask for advice/help planning my new deploy =)

The installation is splitted in two halfs, I've attached two maps with some (very approximate) measures.
The "dots" indicate the designeted places for the APs; they all will be connected via cable.

 

* Questions:
- The APs will be mounted on poles and there will be water (rain); Shoudl I better I use Unifi Mesh or Unifi AC Pro ? In case of AC Pro shall I build/buy a custom encolusers ?
- Is the proposed solution ok? overkill? or ?

 

Any other additional feedbacks are also more than welcome.

 

Thank you very much,
Martin

 

 

* In the maps the BC corner match the crossing of the lines in the "bottom h" map, the two half are divided by a small hill (railway), so I do not expect "much" inteference between the two.
There is also an hill located in the "bottom h" between the 180 and the 120 labels.

 


BottomH.pngBottom halfTopH.pngTop half

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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

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Sorry Martin, but this is confusing.

 

First, how will you every be able to connect all these

access points 'via cable'? Do you plan a complete

underground network for all this?

 

Even more: you show dots for 'APs' all over the place--

even in the middle of trees or where trees would block

signals to the various buildings. That won't work at all.

WiFi devices need clear paths to the users; trees will

block most signals and severely limit range. It's also a

very bad idea to try to provide service inside buildings

from outside--if that's the strategy you're hoping for.

 

You ask about specific radios, but this strategy needs to

be completely redesigned before you can select what

devices will work best. You apparently want to provide

Internet 'WISP' services to an entire community; that

takes a lot more than a few access points.    Dave


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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

Hi Dave, 

first of all thank you for answering!

* About the "underground network":
YES: I do actually have already it in place (I've only to pay for the CAT 6).
When the power network & the security cam netowrk were build we added several empty tubes, I plan to use some of those.

* "in the middle of trees".. 
Yes, I am sorry the quality of my presentation is crappy .. but with those dots I ]just would to represent the location and distances (obviousy I am not going to install them on the trees).
I am attaching another picture "shot in place" to show how it really looks like.
In the following pictures we plan to install the AP on a pole next to the power dispatch pilon (center of the figure, next ot the bike).

Screen Shot 2017-04-06 at 6.41.11 PM.png


* Internet 'WISP'
I used to tought that WISP implies KM+ distances...
What we wish to do is provide the structure guests wifi access, but instead of having rooms, floors and walls like in a hotel we have pitches and trees ('couse it'a a camping).

Thank you very much,
Martin

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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

It's good to have some picture of what you want, Martin.

 

Remember: maximum length of CAT5 or CAT6 cable

between network devices is 100m; many of your runs

seem to exceed that. Also, there is a good chance to

have severe grounding issues and high-voltage pulses

from passing thunderstorms. I strongly urge you to

use fiber optic cable and not Ethernet cable.

 

Your aerial photo shows many dense trees. If you're able

to find clear paths beneath trees, that is good. But I'm

not able to assess this from a single photo. Even there,

it's not clear what size area you hope to cover. You can

only do that for yourself. In any case, you can't use a

UAP-AC-Pro radio--it's not rated for exposed outdoor use.

You might use the new AC-Mesh-M ror AC-Mesh-Pro,

but in most cases I'd prefer directional radios from

multiple angles to cover areas like this. UniFi currently

has no such radios.

 

This will require analysis for each site, and some redesign.

It will likely require a full network design as well. We're not

able to do that on a forum.   Dave


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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

 

* "Remember": 
- 100m, yeah there will be a pair of PoE switch that are not drown in the map, the max length is expected to be ~60 m.
I didn't took into consideration the "grounding issues", I will consider moving all to fiber but will increase significantly the cost.

 

 

* "tree density":
Fortunately the gmaps foto are a bit old there, and now the tree are less dense now, but they are indeed still a problem. 
It will be AC-Mesh-M then. 
"directional" I tought about that... but laying new tubes will be a pain (legally speaking - pemissions etc).

* "require analysis for each site":
Yeah, I see the point and you are probably right... I will discuss this we mines.


For now, thank you so much for all the support and ideas (and theaching in some way =) ) .
Martin

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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

Installed cost of fiber cable can be less than for

Ethernet. That grounding issue can be crucial.   Dave


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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

Followed your suggestion. =)
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You're welcome; I'd call that your 'solution'.   Dave


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Re: [Request for advice] New outdoor installation in a Campsite.

[2y UPDATE] 

I am happy to report that the project was a success.
The equipment has been working flawlessly so far.
No guest has ever complained since this upgrade, and the staff is thus delighted.


Eventually, we went with a bunch of Unifi Mesh M that are connected via CAT6 to and powered by a pair of US-16-150W, which are themselves connected to our main network room via fiber.


With this positive experience, we are now ready to jump on the unifi-video/protect wagon.


Thanks to everybody and in particular to Dave-D.

Greetings,
M

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